My second husband and myself also have a daughter who lives with us in France. Therefore, you will need to ask your notary to analyze the situation before making any final decision whatsoever. The inheritance tax in the UK has also become a bit of a racket, with the waste majority of homeowners now being drawn into the threshold of 263000. Because Bea and Barry live in France their estate planning will be affected by the changes to Article 913 of the Civil Code. You may (for example) be able to adopt your own child- however silly that may sound - in France. Just on a lighter note and reading the last posting again. This was then challenged in August, but the relevant section was not changed and the law is therefore due to come into force on 1st November 2021. French laws are very complicated and I am in the same boat as you virtually. With regard to Mikes sugestion that we adopt in France, that's an interesting idea which I will look into, but feel that you would only be allowed to do that overthere if you were a French person born there. They have been married for 20 years and each have a child from a previous marriage but have no children together. We can therefore expect a period of delay and uncertainty which is likely going to be difficult for families. Anything they inherit over this amount will be taxed on a sliding scale between 5% and 45%. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. So if you do any work on the house, you should open a bank account in the name of the company, have all invoices made out in the name of the company and pay with a company cheque. So we are in the process of preparing information for him. Each case is specific. Given the number of people moving to France and a big percentage of them in second marriages with stepchildren. Is this likely to cause even more headaches? If a will has been drawn up, you need to consult a notary to find out the share of proceeds for the surviving spouse. The surviving spouse inherits everything, with the exception, however, of the property that the deceased had received through donation or inheritance from his ascendants (parents or grandparents) and which is still part of the inheritance. www.frencentre.com/fe-legal Once on the site scroll down left hand side to heading "documents on French property tax and law in France" under this in red click on "French Inheritance and tax planning" pages 1-13 deal with all aspects. Or adopting a French person, still worth looking at. In France if you have children, broadly speaking, on your death you must leave a proportion of your assets to your children you cannot leave all your assets to your spouse and you can not disinherit a child even if you have been estranged for many years. The differences between usufruct and full ownership are important, but once again there is no right or wrong solutions. Our Notaire was impressed with the scheme and amazed at my trust.I'm not looking for an old camper van yet. As it's 8pm now here in Australiaand I've had a couple of glasses of red this might not all make sence, my apologies. This is not what the couple wished, as Beths child will receive substantially less than Barrys child after tax. If the man dies first his mistress gets to keep the house, is she dies first he gets the house back and her family cannot claim it!! Thank you for the replies to my question. An inventory of the furniture and status of the building, can then be drawn up to avoid potential disputes. e-mail: martin@siddalls.com.fr. A German Notaire who stayed with us last year, told of the scenario in Germany where 50% goes to your dependants and the rest you can do with what you like. You can still make a will electing for English law to apply to the succession of your estate and your children will not be able to claim compensation using Article 913. The next scenario in the series will look at issues that can arise when you do not want your children to inherit your assets. Over a 12-part series of articles Charlotte will cover topics such as how to buy your property as a couple (jointly or not), the different legal implications for a married couple and a civil partnership, and what happens to the property on your death, including who it will pass to and what succession tax consequences there might be. Historically, the surviving spouse has had something of a raw deal in French inheritance law. Balance taxed between 5% - 45%. Which means once you are resident in France andyou live a frugal and egalitarian life here,your actual net worth on expiration might well bewithin the less than generousallowances permitted. You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. Others will explain the mechanics of this, I'm sure, but this reply will bump your question back up the listings. There would always be the concern, that although we think we have been welladvised, maybe not. If so, perhaps she should be offered legal advice so as to know that all three children would inherit equally but it would be left up to her to make that arrangement if she continues living in France. :-)), Hi Mike. I could be completley wrong, so it will be interesting to hear other peoples views. Balance taxed between 5% 45%. the latter gets either the usufruct of all the deceaseds entire property (which means the right to '' use the assets or receive the income), namely ownership of the quarter, depending on his/her choice. We have opted for the Clause Tontine but the step parent MUST make a will passing all to his/her step child otherwise French law will only see the step child as a 'stranger' and the estate goes to the nearest natural beneficarie eg a Mum or dad etc. At the end of July 2021, a bill was passed in France making changes to Article 913 of the Civil Code. This is only my view, I would expect that if you are resident in France then that inheritance would have to be declared as "income" and you would be taxed on it. We would have no worries in terms of trust in doing this, neither would there be any problems with buying in my name only, both arealternatives we talk about. A road we went down to try and get around some of our very similar problems was as follows;-
I will say "thanks" but "No Thanks". However if you do buy with an SCI, the company is the owner NOT you. There must be people who have experience of this, and given the number of members on Anglofile I would have thought several who have made arrangements to cover this eventual event. We are still hopeful of living in France and simply ask that anyonewho has haddealings with this law, and been given any satisfactory advise pass it on. If you are a British national owning property in France this new law could change the effectiveness of your French will, if you have elected for British law to apply in your will. We have recently purchased our house ready to move out permanately in several weeks. Anne, You should probably set up an SCI to buy your property. It is likely to take notaires a while to formulate the best way to apply to this law how to identify all the children, how to find estranged children, how to deal with their replies (or lack thereof) etc. Suggest you contact financial expert at Siddalls. Perhaps it's time that Brussels looked into this extremely discrimatory law and stopped worrying about silly things like how much meat the British use in their sausages!. Balance taxed at a flat rate of 60%. Funnily enough it is a law designed to help men buy houses for their mistresses!!! If Barry then leaves all their assets equally to his child and to Beth's child, the children will be taxed as follows: Barry's child 100,000 tax free. They have two sons. Although the EU succession regulation gives foreign nationals the option to avoid French succession law, it does not change the inheritance taxation position in France. I have written to Martin Siddall's as suggested by Peter, and will post their reply if one is recieved. During this period you can arrange your affairs such that your children are provided for. The surviving spouse receives half of his property, and in-laws the other half as one quarter for each. Since 2001, the surviving spouse is treated as a genuine heir except, of course, if there has been a divorce or legal separation. The surviving spouse then receives three-quarters of the property, and his or her stepfather or stepmother the remaining quarter. Talk to a Notaire about the Tontine de Dernier Vivant.This gives the surviving spouse control over the property during his/her lifetime. I'll keep reading and hope eventually to find asafe solution. Having read as much as I have on it over the past couple of weeks, I guess I am not prepared to take the risk wherebyour daughter could finish up with virtually nothing. With three or more children, they receive 75% of the estate between them. Because both Amy and Andrew, and all their children live in the UK and are British, the changes to Article 913 do not apply to them. But this does not mean that the surviving spouse shall always inherit everything. If Beth dies before Barry and leaves all her assets to him, he will inherit them free of inheritance tax, because they are married. Essentially, to satisfy French inheritance law you need an arrangement that is satisfactory under the French legal system; Australian stipulations would, it seems to me, be pretty irrelevant as long a the French were happy. I believe from what I have been told that in the case of your children/stepchildren they will each inherit the same portion, but, and it's a big but, the stepchildren will then have to pay a flat 60% tax,whereas the blood child will have a threshold of 46.000 euros and tax at I believe 20%. Given the number of people moving to France and a big percentage of them in second marriages with stepchildren. Consult the law dated 3rd December 2001 concerning the rights of the surviving spouse. If you buy with a tontine as suggested this won't help if you should die first, the property would go in its entirety to your husband. By contrast, if you own property in France, but neither you nor your children live in the EU, this change to French law will not apply to you. Also I have consultedtwo lawyer in the UK both dealing in French law,albeit only by email. The heirs and the order of inheritance If the deceased didn't write a will: the transmission of the inheritance is carried out, according to the order of the heirs set by law. However, the survivings spouses agreement shall be required to convert the usufruct relating to his main residence but also the furniture in the accommodation. The alternative is to give the French Government 60% of all that we have worked for rather than it going to our daughter and this we are not prepared to do. In France the general position, for both French nationals and foreigners, for many years was that it was not possible to leave your assets freely in your will when you died. When Beth and Barry moved to France they sold their home in England and purchased a property overlooking Lac dAnnecy. Because Claires biological child is habitually resident in the EU, she will be able to make a claim under Article 913 because she is not receiving the share of Claires estate as set out under the French forced heirship rules. Hi. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. I'll keep reading all the postings, and whatever I can find on the net relating to the subject. However, any challenge and its outcome could take several years to be concluded. Beths child 1,594 tax free. Most importantly it depends on how solid your relationship/trust is. It is important to consult your notary quickly in order to preserve your rights. This means they can leave their assets to whomever they choose in their wills. In the interim, this is going to cause succession planning difficulties for many individuals and families and also the likelihood that many people are not going to be able to leave their assets on their death as they wish. Our property was purchased with the "tontine" clause. Wills in France can take several forms, from pen-and-paper versions to secretive letters only seen upon death. In the event of a disagreement, the judge may be referred, as long as the definitive partition hasnt been carried out. If Barry then leaves all their assets equally to his child and to Beths child, the children will be taxed as follows: Barrys child 100,000 tax free. secondly can any one advise if you inherit from your blood parents what are your tax liabilities in france? There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. A sign seen on more touring vans now is"Spending the childrens inheritance" it should say," Spending it before the Government waste it.!! If the value of this right is lower than the share of the inheritance, he is entitled to a supplement. For example, if I die first (I am the natural mother), then on my husbands death our daughter will be taxed at a flat 60% on all that she inherits and this includes our world wide assets. The new section of law contains the following: When the deceased, or at least one his children, is, at the time of death, a national of a Member state of the European Union or has his/her habitual residence there, and when the foreign succession law does not know a mechanism with a reserved portion protecting the children, each child (or his/her heirs, or those who benefit from his/her rights) can use the assets which are located in France to obtain a compensation at the time of death, in order to benefit from the forced heirship rights which they have under French law, within the limits of these rights.. They live in London and have a holiday home in Normandy. My Husband and I had every intention of moving permanently to France. This used to be standard practicesince French succession requirementsgenerally invalidated any wills elsewhere. My advice: open a bottle of good red, don't rush, research as best you can, open another bottle of good red, sift through the good and the bad, and generally go with the flow. Indeed there may be a period when you are no longer there and not yet here, this is referred to as a 'taxplanningopportunity' by the experts. There is one way around it, that is to adopt the child/children. Good luck! I believe we have worked too long and too hard to let that happen. Payment periods may be granted to him if, during the partition, he owes a sum of money (balance) to the other heirs. The surviving spouse has no choice and takes ownership of a quarter of the deceased's property . Anne. Given the right advice I'm sure you'll find a solution (although some inheritance tax wil almost certainly have to be paid). For an overview of the legal aspects see this INFOrmation Page: I'd say you need to seek the advice of a French tax lawyer (or an English-based solicitor that works very closely with a French tax lawyer). In 2015 the European Succession Regulation (650/2012) came into force. I don't think it's quite as bad as you think, Anne, depending on your marriage terms, it is most likely that you will be assumed to be the owner of half your total assets. Their answer was the same. More on this can be found elsewhere but it does mean that nobody has to pay this Inheritance Tax. So, if the above criteria apply, and you have made a will covering your French assets which doesnt leave your children a gift equal to the amount that they can inherit under the French forced heirship rules, following your death your children can request that the notaire makes an adjustment to the amount that they receive. As many families these days, we are a second marriage couple with a step-child involved. For non-residents, French real estate is subject to the succession law rules. They each have 2 children from previous marriages. Their answer was the same. If he dies, it goes to your daughter and if he sells it ,your daughter has first call on the money. The spouse cannot be totally deprived because, in the absence of descendants, he is himself the forced heir for 1/4 of the succession. Amy and Andrew are a married British couple. Click to reveal You can then leave the shares in that company to anyone you like. On a slightly different way of looking at the problem, does anyone have views on buying the property in our daughters name.? However, the couple have heard that doing this might be very tax inefficient. They moved to Annecy in France eight years ago following their retirement. If you have to work when you get here.well that's another story!!!! Their wills are still valid and they do not need to take further action at this time. This means that if a married couple own their property jointly, following the death of the first spouse, it is possible for the surviving spouse to end up owning the French property with a number of children, including step-children, which is often not what the couple intended. Moreover, unless the deceased wishes otherwise expressed through a notarial will, the surviving spouse has, until his death, a right of residence in the accommodation occupied as the main residence depending on the inheritance but also a right of use on the furniture. Through mutual agreement, the surviving spouse and the other heirs can convert this right into a life annuity or into a capital. It is dependant on whether it is the step parent that the child inherits from or the natural parent.This will not only apply if you both die, but on the death of either of you and again on the last parentsdeath. Moreover, the law gives preference to the surviving spouse for the relinquishment of housing and furniture within the latter, when the estate is divided. Perhaps you would like to read the article I have been reading, others may interpret it differently.It talks of all the different ways of doing things including "Tontine" none of them over -ride the fact that the person is a step child. the rents are payable through inheritance, i.e. Bea and Barry have made wills, with a British law election, in which they leave their home to each other on the first death, and then to their younger son. All their children are British and live in the UK. This affected British nationals who owned property in France as they did not have the freedom to leave their French property in their will to whomever they wished. This new law comes into force on 1 November 2021 and will apply to deaths after this date. Thank you for taking the time to reply.If you look back at my original posting you will see that I mention adopting the child is an option and would work for a lot of people, but not for us as a stipulation here in Australiais that the child cannot have been married. So where: A child who does not inherit the amount dictated by the French forced heirship rules can request for compensation to be made out of the French assets to them. Having just read all that is involved in setting up a company to buy property and all the pitfalls associated with it, again refer to the "frenchentre" site which I mentioned at the beginning of this posting. 188.165.239.102 Otherwise, the surviving spouse retains all the benefits and owes nothing to the other heirs. Thank you all once again for the advise and suggestions. All the children are British and live in the UK, except for Claires biological child who is living in Portugal. With reference to Waynes question, again I would suggest you look at that site, in particular pages 4, 9, 12, & 13 whichanswers one of your concerns. This means if you pass away owning property in France, it will be assessed for tax by the French tax authorities. Assets do not automatically pass in accordance with your will. English and Welsh law does not contain a mechanism that reserves part of a persons estate for their children. APRIL International - Health insurance made easy, Building Services, Sandblasting & Plant Hire, Controle Technique, Vehicle Testing (MOT), PC, Mac & Computer Shops, Sales & Repairs, Gyms, Personal Trainers & Fitness Classes, Solar, Wind, Renewable Energy & Resources, Holiday Cottages and Gites: Agencies and Marketing, To avoid inheritance problems, one method is to set up your own company and use the company to buythe property. Anything over that tax free allowance (subject to exemptions and allowances) is taxed at the flat rate of 40%. In England and Wales testamentary freedom exists, meaning that broadly speaking you can leave your assets to whomever you wish when you die. She has one child of her own and three step children. There is also,the important point that you have choices before you arrive in France. Like most of us living here,the inheritance laws are a mystery and a minefield.We are amazed that the French haven't brought things up to date.We know of several French couples who daren't re-marry because of all the problems. Regards Anne. Please, if some of you have dealt with this law and can advise us what to do we would be extremely grateful. Still living in hope. For more information or to discuss how this law may affect you please contact: international@stoneking.co.uk. In exceptional cases, if the accommodation is no longer suited to their needs, the surviving spouse can rent it for use other than commercial or agricultural purposes, in order to provide the resources required for another accommodation solution (retirement home for example). I have a similar situation ith living with long term partner with her 3 children and as yet not sure ho that effects. The closer the relationship, the greater the tax free allowance and the lower the rate of tax that is paid. The key points are: For French residents, succession law applies to worldwide assets (excluding real estate outside France). How Does French Inheritance Law Treat Blended Families. My husband works for a UK company and pays UK tax and NI which at the present times works best for us. Still leaves the same problem of this ridiculous amount of tax to be paid by stepchildren though. If that was not your intention I apologise. But perhaps they have the same laws. Still open to and looking forsugestions. To avoid this as far as possible, Beth and Barry should obtain professional advice before making their wills. I still believe there must be some way around this, otherwise there are going to be a lot of very angry people in the future. Both their children can make a claim on the first death of Bea and Barry as neither receive anything at this time, and the older son can also make a claim on the second death as only the younger son is included in the will. With regards to adoption, we have looked into that and been advised by the Lawyer in UK that the "simple" is of no use, it would not change the status of the "child" and as our daughter is now 33 the one required (cant remember the name and I will loose this letter if I go to look) is not an option. Anyway, don't let it spoil your move, you will enjoy a good quality of life here. 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